Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ipversion6-loopback-prefix-00.txt
t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> Thu, 19 February 2015 10:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ipversion6-loopback-prefix-00.txt
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--- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Andrews" <marka@isc.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:10 AM > In message <024f01d04b68$49ae8340$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> writes: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Andrews" <marka@isc.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:23 AM > > > > > The fundemental reason for 127.0.0.0/8 was to give each node a > > > addresses block they could use. 127.0.0.1 evolved as the "standard" > > > loopback address over time. For the most part no one uses the rest > > > of 127.0.0.0/8 but it is useful to have available. That said any > > > use of the rest of 127.0.0.0/8 has to be negotiated between the > > > users. You can't just grab 127.0.0.2 and hope that no one else is > > > using it for IP traffic. > > > > Mark > > > > I would refer you to RFC5782 and RFC6471 for a discussion on the use of > > 127.0.0.2 (and ::FFFF:7F00:2 ). > > RFC5782 Informational. > RFC6471 Informational. > > And they actually grabbed namespaces in the DNS not addresses. > Neither of them use those "addresses" for IP traffic which > is what the proposed reservation of the block is about. > > The only reason 127.0.0.2 etc. are use for rbls is that it > was possible to get sendmail to do a address lookup from > sendmail.cf without hacking the code. They returned values > are tokens not addresses despite them being encoded in > A/AAAA records. > > Raising RFC5782 and RFC6471 is a Red Herring. Mark Classifying those two RFC as Informational is a subtlety that those reading this e-mail will understand but most will not (as I am reminded of when I have seen manufacturers cite conformance to Internet Drafts:-). I am sure that if I looked hard enough I would find these RFC being cited as if they were Standards, let alone a BCP. And note the title of RFC6471 'overview of Best email dns-based list (DNSBL) Operational Practices ' (my capitalisation). As I recall, the reason why it is not a BCP, when it is a BCP in all but name, is political, that the BCP stream is owned by the IETF and that RFC is not a product of the IETF. So, rightly or wrongly, the IETF has implicitly endorsed a usage of 127.0.0.n, where n is a small number, and it would be foolish, IMHO, to endorse a separate usage. (For some reason, the choice of percent for interface identifiers, when percent was already spoken for in URIs, comes to mind). Last I heard, IPv6 is different, that the number of MX is small, the namespace is enormous and so while ::FFFF:7F00:2 was posited, it is unlikely to gain much traction. Tom Petch > Mark > > > Perhaps those RFC should have included an IANA Considerations:-( > > > > Tom Petch > -- > Mark Andrews, ISC > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
- [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ip… Edward Lewis
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Edward Lewis
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Edward Lewis
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Edward Lewis
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Edward Lewis
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Andrew 👽 Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] FW: New Version Notification for draf… Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… t.petch
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… t.petch
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-ip… Mark ZZZ Smith