Re: [v6ops] Comments to draft-mlevy-v6ops-auto-v6-allocation-per-asn

Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Wed, 20 February 2013 22:20 UTC

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From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Comments to draft-mlevy-v6ops-auto-v6-allocation-per-asn
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Owen, 

So what you seem to be saying is: If manufacturers want to use a specific part of their company allocation of addresses to give addresses to the cars that they make based on VIN numbers, that is up to them.  But IETF should not mandate allocating part of the overall spectrum of addresses to them.

If so, perhaps we should at least suggest to the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers), which makes standards for that industry, that they look at whether it makes sense for all of the companies to take a uniform approach to how they do that.

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> On Feb 19, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:


I do not support allocating globally unique prefixes for things that are not networks.

Perhaps that will better explain my position.

I think that overloading the IPv6 prefix space with semantics for arbitrary collections of things is a really bad idea that has tremendous potential to consume vast amounts of addresses while yielding no network benefit in return.

Will it exhaust the IPv6 space immediately, probably not. Could we easily exhaust the ASN space if we start promoting the idea of claiming ASNs to support this? Yeah, we could probably burn 4 billion ASNs that way without too much trouble.