Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-07.txt
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:33:57 -0600
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-07.txt
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On 11/10/14, 23:44 , Brian E Carpenter wrote: > This is intended to incorporate the result of today's discussion. > Please let the authors know if we got it wrong. > > Brian I wasn't at the IETF Meeting so I don't know if you have the correct result from that discussion. However, I believe the result is consistent with my understanding of the consensus on the v6ops list. Further, I support deprecation of Anycast 6to4, and the general take of the Draft. But, I feel the Draft should also either update or replace RFC6343. Minimally, I think it is important for there to be a metadata linkage between RFC6343 and the Draft. I would suggest a formal update to Section 4 of RFC6343 substituting the use of Router 6to4 in place of Anycast 6to4. Regardless, Section 4.5 of RFC6343 recommends the use of 192.88.99.1 as the IPv4 source address for Return Relay traffic, this no longer seem appropriate with the deprecation of 192.88.99.1, the prefix 192.88.99.0/24, and Anycast 6to4 in general. The 6th paragraph of Section 4 of the Draft discusses Return Relays and references Section 4.5 of RFC6343, I believe the intent is that "content providers might choose to continue operating such a relay", but I think the recommendation regarding the use of 192.88.99.1 as the IPv4 source address of such traffic, contained in Section 4.5 of RFC6343 could be confusing and is no longer appropriate. The draft says RFC6890 should be updated to remove "the 6to4 relay anycast prefix (192.88.99.0/24)", but RFC6890 doesn't need to be updated. RFC68980 created "Special-Purpose IP Address Registries", no update to the RFC is necessary, IANA only needs to update the appropriate registry, which is already requested in section 5. You may want to specifically call out the appropriate registry "IPv4 Special-Purpose Address Registry" in section 5, but there is no need to update RFC6890. Thanks -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer@umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================
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- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… James Woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Alexandru Petrescu
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- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Doug Barton
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- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-… James Woodyatt
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