Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real World
Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Wed, 08 October 2014 18:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real World
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On 10/06/2014 12:27 PM, Joe Touch wrote: > > Although I appreciate that everyone thinks that "this can be > coordinated", we're seeing ample evidence to the contrary. It's useful > to note here that NEITHER DOC REFERENCES THE OTHER, despite being > written by the same author (which begs the question of "end run"). Joe, if you feel like making an ad-hominem accusation, at the very least state what the basis of your accusations are. This is not the first time you do it. Last recent one was based on seconding Fred Baker's claim that I had requested adoption of this document to two set of wg chairs -- which was simply *not true*. Making such assertions in public, based on your own personal assumption's (or someone else's) (and without apologizing in those cases where it is easy to prove that something wasn't true), does not seem like a good way forward or even fair. That said, there are different sets of authors in each doc that you mentioned. I happen to be a co-author of all such documents. But I'm not "the author". If you think that one document should reference another, but did not, maybe it was just an error? Maybe when writing the I-D, the other document had not yet been written? Maybe something else other than a conspiracy theory? If you infer some sort of Machiavellian plan regarding this document, I just say "there isn't any". If you wonder, this is how each I-D was born: the eh-filtering I-D is simply an IPv6 version of RFC7126. We got RFC7126 done, and the IPv6 part was missing. That's how this I-D was born. OTOH, draft-gont-v6ops-ipv6-ehs-in-real-world was born (later) when trying to codify and summarize what we had been discussing at the IEPG meetings (for more than a year now). > If this is left to the WGs, then the WGs need to decide if they can > manage each of these documents in the isolation the context that already > has been allowed to exist and is already promoted by the author - or if > that can *only* happen in a single doc. As noted quite a few times, there have been many cases where there's has been overlap among wg groups. For instance, anything that has to do with ipv6 opsec can fit either v6ops or opsec. I personally don't see that as a problem. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1
- [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real World Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Warren Kumari
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Merike Kaeo
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Metzler, Dan J
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Metzler, Dan J
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 Extension Headers in the Real Wo… Fernando Gont