IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda

Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> Sun, 18 October 2020 22:06 UTC

Return-Path: <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133AF3A0ECC; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:06:13 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.197
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NABWxJkgaq95; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BF593A0C47; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id r4so10875903ioh.0; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2YxoS7WOXAbsiixeiZXUUiHNmY45OnU/00e9A7+Yaf4=; b=apbewghCOo4oLcmoZ6Baqk4q5FSs4fW3PvKo5eCWlumjJ9hNkDoAEhKngEJ8fctL2b CBj9rZULGT2SG4zmwiCSzxT8GGBGM0aI6uhn/mFLNr1P4WgwkxnWZT4Lt4N9b1ElHktx OTw7VCCYtjeeQxfxgwWHXtuTMruXwpF8Nfc4Ok8X9QeMCy2CJCj8eOUzvJxFXpRHv/lY 7VkEo99QbOGHA6X5zbKjbQ2pRm0np3yRr0zR3SuTIFZAUOVybkbzKLxCGCLuzjz6dUyZ MVHeicGdGBIwgGO2g4MTVESyLiFrQpZXY0dSkKRNZ1pd+JnIdS6q/nfG6PjZi0OjJ1Ph 9GGQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2YxoS7WOXAbsiixeiZXUUiHNmY45OnU/00e9A7+Yaf4=; b=j3mhZe0cIomcwfw10XPRdMC1yb2Hh5ghK4fD8dVeE+JMSjOr6BO7RIFV/ezb/RmBBL xfmuKRYsQxBfZh2VDB2CAKAzJ8bXO8djyL7hIj4doLyDMjW+tMvStI6bSGuyA0Mn2Ib/ 29cI1xQ9MIV/ylYM1B9azamFvqXy8FJTJsOHFMMQyRnsVt+nss6crgrmEzGZQbNhTGul lVhA9azfgi/d4qmxfb4c5txoVE7WI9s8UeMvfj8pNK+D0ZZG+1vu0WOS1RspjhMJTGOp Od+1XKonwpeqUU0a2sirrLTzYVHVHkf1+NpF+kuc6p+Kizmctq5fcMLhN+Vj5s2RNf/i F1sA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532E2qS29wh1IMyI6oLt6G4r5JH5pmuh1b9Sg1PL5px2YHroFX68 YsUI7r0pR8R2VN77NEmk+C26x0uTDIDGdqa67MM=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzSMaQfbWd+RSu+0Dnz05UGCpKfX9vhIu1hkPryRfaLNOg50g3vx1BzBadh+/ZO2M1XcgM1BZLgsQMFgmkCbXU=
X-Received: by 2002:a02:6045:: with SMTP id d5mr9149400jaf.144.1603058770685; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:06:10 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <160288855079.14008.13967692974159638979@ietfa.amsl.com> <30344.1602894208@localhost> <FD995870-E9C6-4099-93AF-253F0A11F56B@tzi.org> <CADaq8jcKK5kUvU3v7+6gEaeqjqxtw-Bii5is_hoq1ugogCoWPg@mail.gmail.com> <20201017193610.GA39170@kduck.mit.edu> <CADaq8je4nFVKkGw3X+Yo53N1xaXrgNRvOw4ZaNA0mT3dsDi-kQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAA=duU3KwrKnT4tdkap6raiu3pTGRcGz0miJMSFmTPF-bg4wrA@mail.gmail.com> <21ab833c-c3f1-d70b-96c0-8139dd7092f1@labn.net> <CAM4esxTAQOm=-SwLF3zU18xG75YurKdF-or+hU28+M53+cjtAQ@mail.gmail.com> <16871.1603057329@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <16871.1603057329@localhost>
From: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:06:01 -0700
Message-ID: <CAM4esxR9gaOUJrxuMR0X=4ZKndppuyeUFfJ2V_GpsdRX4wFuFw@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Cc: manycouches@ietf.org, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>, Working Group Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000094b22b05b1f93490"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/wgchairs/rJ3SlSBjs-nELfAWNTE9OILqTXA>
X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Working Group Chairs <wgchairs.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/wgchairs>, <mailto:wgchairs-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/wgchairs/>
List-Post: <mailto:wgchairs@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:wgchairs-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wgchairs>, <mailto:wgchairs-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 22:06:13 -0000

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 2:42 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
wrote:

>
>     > To start messing with the start time now would erode the principle
> of 1-1-1.
>
> Are you saying, "having got it wrong twice, it would unfair if we did it
> correctly this time?"
>
>
12-6 pm is not "wrong". If we had started at 0700 in Vancouver and remained
consistent with that, it wouldn't have been "wrong" either. But starting to
time shift individual meetings because it doesn't work great for certain
people would violate the principle of sharing the pain

I also wouldn't assume that a particular time is ideal for a certain time
zone, either -- mornings, evenings, and the middle of the night will be
attractive to different people based on their constraints. Moving the times
around in a consistent manner avoids continuous inconvenience for anyone.


> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
>            Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
>
>
>
>
>

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email