Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering incorrect
"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Mon, 29 May 2017 22:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering incorrect
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> Whatever was used, once you wrote the code, wouldn't it make sense to > publish where/how lookups should happen? Has this been done? Of course. It's in RFC 7669. > And no matter how opaque the DOI series identifiers are in general, there's > still nothing that prevents the RFC Editor from _having_ a defined mapping > from RFC numbers to DOI and vice versa, if a decision is made that this > would be helpful, right? No. I really, really, wish that people would stop trying to relitigate this settled fact. We had the exact same argument before the IAB published RFC 7669 which says: DOIs are treated as opaque identifiers. The DOI suffixes assigned to RFCs are currently based on the "doc-id" field of the RFC index in XML (rfc-index.xml), but the suffix of future RFCs might be based on something else if circumstances change. Hence, the reliable way to find the DOI for an RFC is not to guess, but to look it up in the RFC index or on the RFC Editor website <https://www.rfc-editor.org/>. RFC references created from entries in the usual bibxml libraries will have DOIs included automatically. Among the reasons not to change it is that RFCs can contain references to other kinds of documents, some of those other things also have DOIs, and those DOIs always have to be looked up. I hope we agree that code that tried to guess some DOIs while looking up others would be fragile and likely to break in obscure ways. As far as I can tell all of the code around the IETF that handles DOIs does it correctly except for Julian's, and by this time he could have fixed it with less effort than he's spent arguing that he doesn't want to. R's, John
- Re: [xml2rfc] [django-project] RFC Bibtex format … Robert Sparks
- Re: [xml2rfc] [django-project] RFC Bibtex format … Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [django-project] RFC Bibtex format … Robert Sparks
- Re: [xml2rfc] [django-project] RFC Bibtex format … William Atwood
- Re: [xml2rfc] [django-project] RFC Bibtex format … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [xml2rfc] [django-project] RFC Bibtex format … Stefan Viergutz
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John R Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John R Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John R Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John R Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John C Klensin
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John R Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John R Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John R Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… John Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Sandy Ginoza
- Re: [xml2rfc] RFC Bibtex format doi numbering inc… Julian Reschke