Re: Email Subaddressing

"Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" <dee@cybercash.com> Fri, 01 August 1997 20:04 UTC

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:27:21 -0400
From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" <dee@cybercash.com>
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Subject: Re: Email Subaddressing
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On 1 Aug 1997, D. J. Bernstein wrote:

> Date: 1 Aug 1997 18:33:04 -0000
> From: D. J. Bernstein <djb@koobera.math.uic.edu>
> 
> > If agents wish to constrain from addresses to fight spoofing or whatever but
> > allow subaddress editing, they can't do it because there is no uniformity of
> > subadressing.
> 
> Sorry, but you're wrong. The agent can rely on local configuration to
> decide which addresses are permitted for each user.

"can" does not mean it is the best way.

>...
> > Standarizing things has benefits and costs.
> 
> But standardizing user interfaces, no matter how beneficial, is none of
> the IETF's business.

Nonsense.  The IETF has zillions of standards that effect user interface. 
How 822 heaers and domain names and IP addresses are formed and parsed for
example.  Although, from another point of view, these are actually standards
for the wire format.  Just as a "+" separator for subaddressing would, in
principle, only effect the wire format.  A UI could have separate text boxes
for the pieces of the local part, for example. 

> > I don't know where you get this idea that IETF standards are requirements.
> 
> What are you talking about? I said ``document... requiring that all MTAs
> and LDAs work the same way.''

We'rem talking about an effort to create a standard for email subaddressing. 

> ---Dan

Donald
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