Re: [Add] [EXTERNAL] Re: New Version Notification for draft-reddy-add-enterprise-split-dns-01.txt

Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> Sat, 20 March 2021 06:56 UTC

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> Ben Schwartz wrote on 2021-03-15 08:09:
>> Many have raised the difficulty of establishing an identity for the
>> network and confirming that claims received by the client were produced
>> by the network operator.
> 
> "many people are saying" is not an
> argument, and i don't think a non-argument should move the needle here.

Specifically, it’s a logical fallacy, argumentum ad populum, and logical fallacies don’t move the needle. 

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

> now your principle concern has changed. it seems that this concern could
> have been stated earlier, in a brace with the others.

Specifically:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading

Paul is right. If you have an argument to make, please produce it. 

> could you supply a
> complete list of your concerns, such that if addressed, you would not
> object? 

This, on the other hand, combines elements of a tu quoque, a burden-of-proof, and a composition.  It probably has a name of its own that I’m not remembering at the moment. Ben is not obligated to produce every valid argument simultaneously, and not doing so is not a weakness or sign of bad faith. Reasonable arguments may be discovered in the course of good-faith exploration of the topic.

Having now duly ingratiated myself with all parties, I’ll shut up. 

                -Bill