Re: [apps-discuss] Applicability Statements

Dave CROCKER <dhc@dcrocker.net> Thu, 12 May 2011 16:00 UTC

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On 5/11/2011 10:05 AM, Pete Resnick wrote:
> There is a way to deal with these sorts of documents that we haven't tried in a
> very long time:
...
>   For my WGs in the apps area, we're going to try an informal
> experiment and submit documents like the above to the IESG for Proposed Standard
> AS.


AS is a failed experiment.  The failure was complete and not a matter of opinion.

If you want to repeat it, you need to change the conditions, and explain how 
those changes are likely to make it succeed this time.

I'm not stating an opinion about whether I think the construct is good or bad, 
or whether it's worth conducting the experiment, but of the need to specify the 
details that give sufficient guidance and make it (more) likely that the label 
will be useful this time.

d/
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   Dave Crocker
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