Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Fri, 28 February 2020 01:50 UTC
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
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On 27/2/20 20:58, Robert Raszuk wrote: > [...] > > We need to ask ourselves what is more important ... quality of data > plane for end users with 10s of ms of connectivity restoration times > upon failure or keeping original IPv6 dogmas in place where folks never > envisioned such needs or technologies to be invented. I don't care myself about dogmas. But there's an established process to do these things: * You propose to change the existing behavior, and normally explain what's that beneficial, and maybe you elaborate on why you are not pursuing any possible alternatives. * Once you gain consensus on the changes, you apply them. And if the impact on the architecture is rather major, you probably better have people give a careful though about it. Now, what has been going on in Spring is a vendor or set of vendors coming with a set of documents for a group to rubber-stamp, violating existing specs at will, with interpretations of existing specs that are confused beyond belief, or intentional to circumvent our existing processes. Folks that care to "attract new people", etc., should really keep an eye on these things, as to many this reads like: "When there's stuff at stake, only big vendors get to play, with their own rules". I'll refer to Jinmei's email, which esentially conveys the same message <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/hmmgQygE0qIhOrt4Ii_1ANDQgHM/> Thanks, -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492
- [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture?… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Mark Andrews
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Christian Huitema
- Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
- Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Fernando Gont
- [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture?… Guntur Wiseno Putra
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Robert Raszuk
- [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture?… Guntur Wiseno Putra
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
- Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Andrew Alston
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Andrew Alston
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture?… Guntur Wiseno Putra