Re: [Asrg] Email service assumptions and making system-wide changes
Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com> Tue, 17 January 2006 07:26 UTC
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From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Email service assumptions and making system-wide changes
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Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> wrote: > On January 16, 2006 at 17:06 sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote: > > Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> wrote: > > > > > I am surprised that after all these years the problem of spam is > > > still so fundamentally misunderstood. > > > > > > The problem at this point are viral-infected zombie bot armies. > > > > Yes, and when that gets solved, there will be a new problem. Remember > > when the problem was open relays? That's solved, spam is still here. > > So by your reasoning we shouldn't have bothered to close the open > relays? No, by my reasoning we should declare that as soon as we've won the current battle we'll have won the war. > I don't think there are all that many opportunities open to spammers > to cause the kind of global mayhem they cause, and raising their > cost of business (i.e., forcing them to retool drastically over and > over) should have its effects on them. What part of that argument couldn't have been made about open relays before the advent of botnets? Why don't you think it will sound just as silly after botnets have been replace by the next thing? Seth _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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- Re: [Asrg] Spam, why is it still a problem? John Levine
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