RE: [Asrg] Spam, why is it still a problem?
"Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker@verisign.com> Mon, 16 January 2006 18:28 UTC
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Subject: RE: [Asrg] Spam, why is it still a problem?
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From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker@verisign.com>
To: Craig Cockburn <craig@siliconglen.com>, asrg@ietf.org
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If I was the microsoftie in charge of spinning this I could honestly claim, 'because some people put other priorities first like pushing for a change in the accepted royalty free terms for licensing patent rights in open standards'. A better observation would be that today spam is not much of a user problem, it is a back office problem. Spam as a commercial tool is practically extinct, only criminal uses are profitable at this stage. > -----Original Message----- > From: asrg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:asrg-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Craig Cockburn > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:25 AM > To: asrg@ietf.org > Subject: [Asrg] Spam, why is it still a problem? > > Or more to the point why are we letting it still be a problem? > > On 24th January 2006 the Microsoft deadline for fixing spam > will have passed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3426367.stm > > and also mentioned here: > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/24/tech/main595595.shtml > > Given that spam is still a problem, comprising about 90% of > email and costing about $40 billion a year, why is it that > there is so little visible progress on this list and > generally regards implementing a solution that actually works > and which can be easily accessed by the average Internet > user? (and even better open source). Moreover why is there so > little movement on canning spam at the source rather than > allowing it to consume bandwidth until it reaches either > someone's mail box or a filter? > > I am wondering if anyone here can explain to the average Internet user > > 1. Why so little progress appears to be happening 2. What > needs to happen for spam to be largely resolved as a problem > 3. How far we are down this road and when we might expect a solution? > > Comments welcome and I hope to publish a summary on my site > here http://www.siliconglen.com/spampetition/ > > Which mentions many of the technological advances on the > Internet since the first spam in 1994 and asks if we can do > all that, why is it taking > 12 years to address spam effectively? > > Craig > -- > Craig Cockburn ("coburn"). http://www.SiliconGlen.com/ Please > sign the Spam Petition: http://www.siliconglen.com/spampetition/ > Home to the first online guide to Scotland, founded 1994. > Scottish FAQ, weddings, website design, stop spam and more! > > _______________________________________________ > Asrg mailing list > Asrg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg > > _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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