Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure
Marc Petit-Huguenin <petithug@acm.org> Mon, 29 March 2010 15:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure
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Hi Stephan, On 03/28/2010 02:17 PM, Stephan Wenger wrote: > Hi Marc, > > It is not difficult to convey a patent-related motivation--even > information--without exposing other people and their employers in an obvious > way. > > Allow me to put exaggerated words into your mouth: "I believe our current > draft, especially algorithm T, is infringing on US 1,234,567, claim 8. We > may be better off with T', because <non-infringement argument>" (Believe it > or not, I have seen this type of language, and not from a plaintiff's > attorney in a closing argument--which is the only place where such words > ought to be uttered :-) And here is what I would write: "In conjunction > with IPR disclosure #1234, I have studied certain documents. It may be to > all (well, almost all) of our advantage if we were replacing algorithm T > with algorithm T'. One advantage would be <non-infringement argument>" > > The first alternative exposes all subscribers to a patent number, and would > show up with a simple google search of a patent numbers (even lawyers > representing trolls know google, unfortunately, and probably a bit better > than some of us...). The second conveys information that an informed and > interested reader can probably quite easily use to end up with the same > factual information, but is not so obvious. So double indirection would be OK, but not simple indirection. > > That's all what I ask for. > > (That I, personally, like my hide enough not to discuss someone else's > patent is a different story.) > > As for the documentation of motivations for historic reasons: motivations > for design choices get lost in standardization all the time. > And it is probably the reason why it takes so much time to someone even motivated to implement this specs right. -- Marc Petit-Huguenin Personal email: marc@petit-huguenin.org Professional email: petithug@acm.org Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Michael Ramalho (mramalho)
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Benjamin M. Schwartz
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Koen Vos
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Benjamin M. Schwartz
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden