Re: [dmarc-ietf] easier DKIM, DMARC2 & SPF Dependency Removal

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Fri, 30 June 2023 19:32 UTC

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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 12:32:38 -0700
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] easier DKIM, DMARC2 & SPF Dependency Removal
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On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 12:21 AM Jan Dušátko <jan=
40dusatko.org@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Scott, Barry,
> as far as I understand, SPF are historic technology,
>

Not in any official capacity.  RFC 7208 is a Proposed Standard.  In fact,
in IETF terms, it enjoys higher status than DMARC does right now.

The status of these protocols is not under discussion.  The only question
is whether DMARC should continue to factor SPF results into its output.

-MSK