Re: [dmarc-ietf] auth-res vs. dmarc

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Wed, 30 December 2020 18:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] auth-res vs. dmarc
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I'll try to propose some text for the ones that would require 
modifications in the ticket. I assume that is appropriate?

Mike

On 12/30/20 10:29 AM, Seth Blank wrote:
> Thank you filing these tickets.
>
> With regards to which tickets are actively open, I’ve asked the 
> document editors to push on open tickets, stand by.
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 10:21 Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com 
> <mailto:mike@mtcc.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     On 12/30/20 10:13 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
>     > On Wed 30/Dec/2020 17:38:29 +0100 Dotzero wrote:
>     >> And for the second time, that is not a DMARC problem, it is an
>     >> auth-res problem.
>     >
>     >
>     > Standardizing the result names for dmarc authentication method
>     is an
>     > integral part of DMARC specification.
>     >
>     > Added ticket 91
>     > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dmarc/ticket/91
>     <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dmarc/ticket/91>
>     >
>     I opened a ticket too which basically says that there should be a
>     normative Authentication-Results Requirements section in the base
>     specifications. That was a process error from the very beginning with
>     auth-res and its weird semi-official status. I don't think it has
>     ever
>     been discussed whether it is even a protocol or not as Ned brought up
>     (opened a ticket on that too).
>
>     Mike
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