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Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

Bjarni Rúnar Einarsson <bre@isnic.is> Tue, 09 July 2019 15:08 UTC

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From: Bjarni Rúnar Einarsson <bre@isnic.is>
To: John Bambenek <jcb@bambenekconsulting.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS
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Hi :-)

John Bambenek <jcb@bambenekconsulting.com> wrote:
> > That said, I agree it cannot solve GDPR or other policy concerns.
>
> Why? GDPR applies to IP addresses, that doesn't impact DNS yet.

You appear to have confused IP with P(I)I: personally identifying
information.

All whois data is PII, in the case where people register
individual details, as opposed to organizational roles. I think
you may need to do a bit more research on this topic, you seem to
have misunderstood a thing or two.

> I'm genuinely curious of something. The most I've engaged in
> this debate about WHOIS records and what is or is useful in
> fighting abuse, the opinions of those who actually fight abuse
> for a living are discarded a priori.

I also have done this for a living. I expect everyone on this
list has, to a certain degree.

I guess what I'm saying is, I probably wouldn't buy what you're
selling.

Further, I agree with others that it's not our job to standardize
and encourage the kind of large scale self-doxxing such products
would undeniably benefit from. That would be to throw the
average-Joe under the bus, for the benefit of the minority who
decide to invest in such tools (whether they are actually
effective or not).

So this is me changing my mind, I don't think potential
automation use-cases justify this.

Cheers,
 - Bjarni

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