Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Tue, 09 July 2019 16:12 UTC

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From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS
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On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, John Bambenek wrote:

> On 7/9/19 11:00 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
>       On Jul 9, 2019, at 11:41 AM, John Bambenek <jcb=40bambenekconsulting.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>             You assume I'm going to create a huge database, I am not. I would envision doing something like if you send me
>             email, try to connect, etc, there is a DNS query for this information, much like there are queries for DBLs, SPF
>             et al, and score it in real time.
>
>             Or if doing abuse reporting, just programmatically look who an email and then email whatever is given (assuming
>             syntactically valid).
> 
> 
> John, the DNS is the huge public database to which I am referring.  You don’t operate it.  You’re just proposing to require me to
> publish my private information in it in order to do business with you.
> 
> I'm proposing a standard to publish certain information should you wish to. There is nothing in this document to indicate anything is
> required. In theory, I as a network operator could require some information in order to allow you access to my network, that is the sole
> power I have and this proposal doesn't change that.

Can you add a Human Rights Considerations section to your document as per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8280 ?

Paul