Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 09 July 2019 16:09 UTC

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 12:09:29 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS
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On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:03 PM, John Bambenek <jcb=40bambenekconsulting.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> I cannot coerce anything. I represent nothing that represents even a
> molecule of the network to coerce or enforce anything. I hope incentives
> will be created, and those may be purely positive incentives (mails more
> likely to be delivered, etc).

This is why I keep asking you for a clear use case.   What you are describing here is a real problem.  The solution to that problem is not to publish everyone’s private information in a huge public database.

> To put your argument in another way, I as someone who protects uses
> should NOT have information with which I could potentially reliably
> block malicious individuals could be another way to frame your position.
> That's a position.

Whether or not you should have this information has no bearing on whether it should be in a public database.  There are much better ways to solve this problem, which require no privacy violation at all.  Just as one example, if I establish mutual trust with everyone I’m corresponding with, then we can set up a mechanism whereby any mail from a source with which trust has not been established can be dropped automatically.   This does not require a public database with my personal identifying information.  It can probably even be done in such a way that you don’t have a map of who knows whom, although that’s a hard problem.  But even if it were done in such a way that it gave you, someone with whom I have a business relationship, private access to my contact graph, that would be much less bad than making all of my personal information public.