Re: [DNSOP] Adoption and Working Group Last Call for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld

Alec Muffett <alecm@fb.com> Thu, 21 May 2015 19:10 UTC

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From: Alec Muffett <alecm@fb.com>
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Thread-Topic: [DNSOP] Adoption and Working Group Last Call for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Adoption and Working Group Last Call for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld
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> On May 21, 2015, at 4:41 AM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> 
> I share the concerns about calling .onion a TLD, but I think that's
> easily fixable by calling it something like a special purpose
> namespace, then going through the document and changing it where
> appropriate.

Not to complicate matters, but CA/B-Forum are saying the following:

https://cabforum.org/2015/02/18/ballot-144-validation-rules-dot-onion-names/ <https://cabforum.org/2015/02/18/ballot-144-validation-rules-dot-onion-names/>

> 5. CAs MUST NOT issue a Certificate that includes a Domain Name where .onion is in the right-most label of the Domain Name with a validity period longer than 15 months. Despite Section 9.2.1 of the Baseline Requirements deprecating the use of Internal Names, a CA MAY issue a Certificate containing an .onion name with an expiration date later than 1 November 2015 after (and only if) .onion is officially recognized by the IESG as a reserved TLD.

- my emphasis.

It would be a shame for them to nitpick the rules because "special purpose namespace" != "TLD"?

    - Alec