Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodworth-bulk-rr in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"
"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Sat, 22 July 2017 06:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodworth-bulk-rr in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"
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> Having said that, just what level of significance would it take > for us to bend in this respect? What type of feature, etc.? For DNSSEC the issue was the fundamental integrity of the DNS. I think it's fair to say that this isn't that. >> ...BULK absolutely requires online DNSSEC signing, > Unfortunately, I respectfully reject this as a statement of fact. > There's even a provision (NPN) ... ... which only works if you upgrade every validating resolver. If you get to do that, you might as well just send the signed BULK record, the NSEC and RRSIG that show there's nothing at the name, and let the resolver figure it out. Given how slowly people update their client DNS libraries, NPN would be a recipe for decades of DNS flakiness, as some resolvers accept the generated records and some don't. As I said a few messages ago, this really needs to wait until we figure out how to signal DNS versioning, and if we don't want to wait for every resolver in the world to be updated, how to distribute signing keys along with AXFR/IXFR to allow online signing to work portably. I'm not opposed to BULK because I don't think it's useful -- there are plenty of RRs that are useless but harmless. But I really don't want to break the DNS, particularly for something that is at most arguably useful. R's, John PS: I hope it's self evident why "it doesn't matter because hardly anyone uses DNSSEC" is not a persuasive argument.
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- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… sthaug
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … tjw ietf
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John R Levine
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- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
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- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] missing use case and problem statement fo… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] missing use case and problem statemen… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [DNSOP] missing use case and problem statemen… Jim Reid
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- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Tony Finch
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