Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names
Alain Durand <alain.durand@icann.org> Sat, 17 September 2016 14:18 UTC
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From: Alain Durand <alain.durand@icann.org>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names
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What would really help here would be standardize a way to measure toxicity. We could then track a specific string toxicity over time, and maybe then define a threshold where it is OK or not OK to delegate that particular string. I would personally agree with your assessment that maintaining this list in 6761 is problematic, for the reason mentioned in section 3.f of darft-adpkja: "f. [RFC6761] does not have provision for subsequent management of the registry, such as updates, deletions of entries, etc…” Alain. > On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:10 PM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > > This is the toxic waste bit. The names don't make sense in the 6761 > special use registry, since they're not being used in any way that is > or can be standardized, but they also aren't suitable for delegation > due to widespread de facto use. I also expect that if we redid last > year's debate in anything like the same way, we'd have the same > result, one or two highly motivated people who work for TLD applicants > would sabotage it. > > As I hardly need tell you, it is utterly unclear whether it makes more > sense to have the IETF reserve them or, to switch hats and encourage > ICANN to put them on a list of names that aren't in use but can't be > delegated as SAC045 suggests. > > One reason that the latter makes slightly more sense is that it's > likely that some of those names will eventually become less polluted, > so the list needs to be reconsidered every once in a while (years.) > For example, I gather that it's been a decade since Belkin stopped > making routers that leak .belkin traffic, and at some point most of > them will be gone.
- [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on toxic and/or specia… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ralph Droms
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names avri doria
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Phill
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Edward Lewis
- [DNSOP] Fwd: moving forward on special use names william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names David Cake
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
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