Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names
"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Sat, 17 September 2016 00:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names
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>Speaking of history, DNSOP spent a huge amount of time talking about those >specific strings a year or two ago (and decided to not adopt Lyman's doc). >We can mention the issue in more depth (John, do you have any suggested >text (especially if we can avoid mentioning the specific strings again)?), >but we don't want to get into relitigating the whole topic here. This is the toxic waste bit. The names don't make sense in the 6761 special use registry, since they're not being used in any way that is or can be standardized, but they also aren't suitable for delegation due to widespread de facto use. I also expect that if we redid last year's debate in anything like the same way, we'd have the same result, one or two highly motivated people who work for TLD applicants would sabotage it. As I hardly need tell you, it is utterly unclear whether it makes more sense to have the IETF reserve them or, to switch hats and encourage ICANN to put them on a list of names that aren't in use but can't be delegated as SAC045 suggests. One reason that the latter makes slightly more sense is that it's likely that some of those names will eventually become less polluted, so the list needs to be reconsidered every once in a while (years.) For example, I gather that it's been a decade since Belkin stopped making routers that leak .belkin traffic, and at some point most of them will be gone. R's, John
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- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names John R Levine
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- Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names Ted Lemon
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