Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Sat, 02 January 2021 22:15 UTC
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From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
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Subject: Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues
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On 1/2/2021 6:37 AM, Jeremy Harris wrote: > On 02/01/2021 13:48, Dave Crocker wrote: >> Any site performing the delivery transition of responsibility, from >> the MHS to the addressee's control, slaps a Deliver-To: header field, >> with that one address on it. > >> delivery ... takes place /within/ the MDA > > I think this implies that the address is site-meaningful and not > necessarily externally-meaningful nor qualified. For example, > a message received with an envlope RCPT of "root@site.example.com" > is locally aliased to "fred", has "Deliver-To: fred" prepended > and then added to fred's mailbox. It's possible that one or another address -- notably the last one -- might only be site-meaningful, I suppose. I'd be inclined to have the spec mitigate against that, though, by requiring it list the address in a way that is globally useful. That is, after all, what the right-hand-side domain name is for. (Note that the left-hand side is only ever site-meaningful, for Internet mail. There is never a global interpretation of the LHS.) Also note that 'delivery' is a transition out of the handling system. Just prior to that moment, the address being used is a classic Internet mail address, which is globally meaningful. And it is to that address that the mail is being delivered. Discussions have tended to imply or assert that delivery occurs at various other places or that things that occurr afterwards are, nonetheless, inside the MHS. If a message reaches the RCPT TO address, anything that happens afterwards, such as being sent on to a new address, happens after delivery and involves a new submission. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John R Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John R Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John R. Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Return-Path and Delivered-To issu… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Return-Path and Delivered-To issu… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Return-Path and Delivered-To issu… John R Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Return-Path and Delivered-To issu… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Return-Path and Delivered-To issue Claus Assmann
- Re: [Emailcore] Return-Path and Delivered-To issu… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… Dave Crocker
- [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issues) John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… John R Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] MDAs (was: Re: Delivered-To issue… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues Brandon Long