Re: [Emailcore] Return-Path and Delivered-To issues

Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> Wed, 06 January 2021 11:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Emailcore] Return-Path and Delivered-To issues
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On Tue 05/Jan/2021 22:53:31 +0100 John R Levine wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, Dave Crocker wrote:
>> On 1/5/2021 12:56 PM, John Levine wrote:
>>> Having written a lot of code that does this, I can say that it is
>>> often, maybe mostly, the MTA that drops the message into the mailbox.
>>
>> If it 'drops the message into the mailbox' then it is acting in the role of an 
>> MDA.  By definition.
> 
> Indeed, but ...
> 
>>> Unless someone believes that the current text is confusing people or
>>> causing interoperability problems, please leave it alone. We already
>>> have plenty to do.


The only confusing point, IMHO, is the sneaky definition of a "delivery SMTP 
server".  That is not an MDA, since it serves SMTP, yet conflicts with Dave's 
definition, since it does delivery.


Best
Ale
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