Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Thu, 31 December 2020 22:45 UTC

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To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, emailcore@ietf.org
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From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
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Subject: Re: [Emailcore] Delivered-To issues
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On 12/31/2020 2:33 PM, John Levine wrote:
>> 1.  Why a separate header field, rather than Received's FOR clause?
> What jck said, the mailbox into which a message is delivered often has
> a different name from what was in the RCPT TO.  That's particularly
> likely on systems that handle mail for multiple domains.


with apologies to all, for my reading comprehension, limitations, but 
would someone point to the place in RFC 5321 where the semantics of the 
FOR clause are explained, and especially in terms of it's coming from a 
RCPT TO?

The language in Section 4.4, in the third bullet, might be claimed to 
imply this, but it doesn't actually say it.  And that bullet does not 
have a focus of defining the parameter's semantics.

d/

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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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