[Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-fc-rtm-mib-03.txt
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Subject: [Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-fc-rtm-mib-03.txt
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Dan, As you have probably seen, draft-ietf-imss-fc-rtm-mib-04.txt is now available. In addition, please note Spencer made four comments, and that the second and third are also applicable to draft-ietf-imss-fc-fspf-mib-02.txt, for which the exact same edits for those two comments would fix the issues. Do you want me to generate a draft-ietf-imss-fc-fspf-mib-03.txt, or perhaps there's a GenART review for draft-ietf-imss-fc-fspf-mib-02.txt and we should wait for that ?? Keith. > Keith, > > It would be better to release version 04, if you can do it in the next > few days. I would like to place this document on the agenda of the 5/11 > meeting. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Keith McCloghrie [mailto:kzm@cisco.com] > > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:38 PM > > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Cc: Keith McCloghrie; General Area Review Team; > > cds@cisco.com; skode@cisco.com; sgai@cisco.com; Romascanu, > > Dan (Dan); black_david@emc.com; sgai@ip6.com; spencer@mcsr-labs.org > > Subject: Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-fc-rtm-mib-03.txt > > > > Dan, > > > > The ID-State-Tracker says that this I-D is in the "Waiting > > for Writeup" > > state, and thus the state diagram says that after your > > writeup and "Go-Ahead", it will enter the "IESG evaluation" state. > > > > So, do you want me to make the changes (outlined below) now > > and submit an updated draft-ietf-imss-fc-rtm-mib-04.txt, or > > wait until later ?? > > > > Thanks, > > Keith. > > > > > Hi, Keith, > > > > > > The changes you propose would would for me. > > > > > > Thanks especially for your proposed change to 5.3. I don't > > think a lot > > > of description is required, just enough to clearly identify what's > > > being discussed. > > > > > > Spencer > > > > > > > > > > Spencer, > > > > > > > > Thnaks for the comments. > > > > > > > >> I was selected as General Area Review Team reviewer for this > > > >> specification (for background on Gen-ART, please see > > > >> http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). > > > >> > > > >> Summary: This document is almost ready for publication as a > > > >> Proposed Standard. I do have a question on Section 5.3, > > listed below. > > > >> > > > >> I also identified two editorial comments (not part of > > the Gen-ART > > > >> review for Brian). I hope this is useful. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> 1. Introduction > > > >> > > > >> This memo defines a portion of the Management > > Information Base (MIB) > > > >> for use with network management protocols in the > > Internet community. > > > >> In particular, it describes managed objects for > > information related > > > >> to the Fibre Channel network's Routing Table for > > routing within a > > > >> Fabric. Managed objects specific to particular > > routing protocols, > > > >> such as FSPF, are not specified in this MIB module. > > > >> > > > >> Spencer (NIT): FSPF is not exanded until later in the > > document (and > > > >> should have the reference to [FC-SW-4] that doesn't appear until > > > >> Section 4). > > > >> Suggest "... such as Fabric Shortest Path First (FSPF) protocol > > > >> [FC-SW-4], ..." as replacement text. > > > > > > > > Thanks for catching that. > > > > > > > >> 5.3. Fabric Index > > > >> > > > >> The latest standard for an interconnecting Fabric > > containing multiple > > > >> Fabric Switch elements is [FC-SW-4] (which replaces > > the previous > > > >> revision [FC-SW-3]). [FC-SW-4] specifies the > > operation of both a > > > >> single Fabric in a physical infrastructure, as well > > as the support of > > > >> multiple Virtual Fabrics operating within one (or > > more) physical > > > >> infrastructures. Whether operating on a physical > > Fabric (i.e., > > > >> without Virtual Fabrics) or within a Virtual Fabric, > > the operation of > > > >> FSPF within a Fabric is identical. Therefore, this > > MIB defines all > > > >> Fabric-related information in tables which are INDEX-ed by an > > > >> arbitrary integer, named a "Fabric Index", the syntax > > of which is > > > >> IMPORTed from the T11-TC-MIB. When a device is > > connected to a single > > > >> physical Fabric, without use of any virtual Fabrics, > > the value of > > > >> this Fabric Index will always be 1. In an > > environment of multiple > > > >> virtual and/or physical Fabrics, this index provides > > a means to > > > >> distinguish one Fabric from another. > > > >> > > > >> Spencer: I can guess what a Virtual Fabric is, but I'm > > guessing and > > > >> the term hasn't been introduced yet, and there's no > > reference for > > > >> it. Not a critical problem, but since there's a nice overview in > > > >> Section 3, maybe it could have a sentence or two that introduces > > > >> the concept, before it appears in Section 5.3? > > > > > > > > Adding [FC-SW-4] as a reference is easy, and I can also > > include an > > > > extra paragraph to mention Virtual Fabrics at the end of > > section 3. > > > > I hope it will be sufficient to do so by lifting some text out of > > > > FC-SW-4, even though FC-SW-4's definitions are somewhat > > circular -- > > > > specifically, a Virtual Fabric is defined in terms of Virtual > > > > Switches, which are defined in terms of a "Core Switch" for which > > > > the definition includes Virtual Fabric :-(. > > > > > > > >> 5.5. The t11FcRouteTable's INDEX > > > >> > > > >> Providing the same useful feature in the MIB in this document, > > > >> results in having an unusually large number (ten) of > > objects in the > > > >> t11FcRouteTable's INDEX clause. However, all ten are > > either integers > > > >> or strings of length 0 or 3 octets. Thus, the > > aggregate number of > > > >> sub-identifiers to be appended to an OBJECT-TYPE's > > OID when naming an > > > >> instance of an object in this table, is at most 22 > > sub-identifiers, > > > >> i.e., less than the *minimum* number to be appended for the > > > >> inetCidrRouteTable table. In other words, while ten > > is an unusually > > > >> large number of objects in an INDEX clause, the > > resultant OIDs are > > > >> not unusually large. > > > >> > > > >> Spencer (more than a NIT): This paragraph is really > > tortured, until > > > >> you get to the last sentence, which seems all that's > > needed anyway > > > >> (suggest "While this useful feature results in an > > unusually large > > > >> number (ten) of objects in the t11FcRouteTable's INDEX > > clause, all > > > >> ten are all ten are either integers or strings of length 0 or 3 > > > >> octets, so the resulting OIDs are not unusually > > large."). But the > > > >> reason I flagged this as "more than a nit" was that > > "length 0 or 3 > > > >> octets" was confusing - the point is, "maximum length of > > 3 octets", > > > >> isn't it? FC people are very aware of FCAddressIdentifier > > > >> structure, but no one else is, so "0 or 3 octets" is a > > distraction, > > > >> and the wordy paragraph just made it worse. > > > > > > > > Yes, that will be an improvement (minus the typo that you > > caught in > > > > your subsequent message). > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Keith. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Gen-art mailing list Gen-art@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art
- [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-fc-rt… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Spencer Dawkins
- [Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Keith McCloghrie
- [Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Spencer Dawkins
- [Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Keith McCloghrie
- [Gen-art] RE: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- [Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Keith McCloghrie
- [Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Spencer Dawkins
- [Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Keith McCloghrie
- [Gen-art] RE: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-fc-rt… Spencer Dawkins
- [Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Keith McCloghrie
- [Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Suresh Krishnan
- [Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-f… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [Gen-art] (full) review of draft-ietf-imss-fc… Keith McCloghrie
- Re: [Gen-art] (full) review of draft-ietf-imss-fc… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Gen-art] (full) review of draft-ietf-imss-fc… Keith McCloghrie
- Re: [Gen-art] (full) review of draft-ietf-imss-fc… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)