Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-bcp45bis-01.txt

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Tue, 30 March 2021 22:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-bcp45bis-01.txt
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I think this draft needs, at a very minimum, an editing pass. The 
problem starts with the first paragraph:


    The IETF discussion list [IETF-DISCUSS] furthers the development and
    specification of Internet technology through the general discussion
    of topics for which no dedicated mailing lists exists.  As this is
    the most general IETF mailing list, considerable latitude is allowed.

OK. So you are telling us that there is this discussion list, and "considerable latitude is allowed".
But that's not quite the point of the draft. Indeed, the next sentence says:

  Advertising, whether to solicit business or promote employment
    opportunities, falls well outside the range of acceptable topics, as
    do discussions of a personal nature.

Why do we have to say that in the introduction? What is this document that jumps from latitude
to, by the way, no advertising? I think there is something missing. The very purpose of the
document appears to be, "considerable latitude is allowed, but there are limits. In the
following section, we explain these limits, and the processes used to enforce them."

And then we can have an open discussion about what the limits shall be. Advertising, tone and
code of conduct, overlap with WG lists, etc.

-- Christian Huitema

> On 30-Mar-21 00:58, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>>
>>
>>          Title           : IETF Discussion List Charter
>>          Author          : Lars Eggert
>> 	Filename        : draft-eggert-bcp45bis-01.txt
>> 	Pages           : 6
>> 	Date            : 2021-03-29
>>
>> Abstract:
>>     The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) discussion mailing list
>>     furthers the development and specification of Internet technology
>>     through the general discussion of topics for which no dedicated
>>     mailing lists exists.  As this is the most general IETF mailing list,
>>     considerable latitude is allowed.  Advertising, whether to solicit
>>     business or promote employment opportunities, falls well outside the
>>     range of acceptable topics, as do discussions of a personal nature.
>>
>>     This document obsoletes RFC3005.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eggert-bcp45bis/
>>
>> There is also an HTML version available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-eggert-bcp45bis-01.html
>>
>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-eggert-bcp45bis-01
>>
>>
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