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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 29 September 2021 22:12 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification - draft-eggert-bcp45bis-04.txt
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On 30-Sep-21 10:59, Rob Sayre wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 2:53 PM Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     Add:
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>     However, if the discussion is broader than the specific protocol concerned, or than administration as such, it may revert to the IETF discussion list, preferably with an appropriate change of the Subject header.
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> fwiw, I don't agree with this idea at all, and in fact think it is a source of pain on the IETF discussion list.
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> Either way, this would be a substantive change quite separate from the documentation this draft aims to provide, and more appropriate for a draft that aims to change BCP45 deliberately.

But the draft *does* change BCP45 deliberately - it explicitly says that some topics that used to be valid are no longer valid, and implicitly removes "direction, policy ... and [standards process] procedures". My first suggestion brings BCP45bis back closer to BCP45.

I have many times seen last call discussion veer off into extraneous technical topics and admin discussion veer off into standards process topics. Where are those topics to be raised, if not on ietf@ ?

   Brian

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