RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-l o -profile-00
"Marc Linsner" <mlinsner@cisco.com> Fri, 15 July 2005 13:14 UTC
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From: Marc Linsner <mlinsner@cisco.com>
To: 'Henning Schulzrinne' <hgs@cs.columbia.edu>, "'James M. Polk'" <jmpolk@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-l o -profile-00
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Hang on..... > > For geo, the problem is that different jurisdictions have > different requirements for accuracy, e.g., the FCC rules for > wireless devices that speak of probabilities for different > accuracy levels. Since jurisdictional boundaries for PSAPs > are typically aligned on property lines, i.e., individual > residences, for residential or commercial use, you could have > a 1 foot error put you erroneously in the wrong county and > PSAP. I don't think this matters in practice, but it > indicates that picking a number will be rather difficult. I > suspect that in almost all cases, people will simply provide > whatever accuracy they can get from their GPS or other > location device and set the bit count to "max", regardless of > whether this is actually true or not. (Converting the > circular accuracy estimates you get from your GPS unit to the > units used in 3825 requires a bit of spherical geometry > calculations that I don't see your average local wiremap > maintainer performing.) I accept the fact that RFC-3825 obviously fails in expressing this adequately, my bad. HEAR YE, HEAR YE: RFC-3825 is not intended to convey the accuracy anomalies associated with the measuring geo coordinates. Nor, is RFC-3825, in it's current state, intended to convey 'bounding boxes' typically associated with geo triangulation measuring techniques. Rationale: As stated in RFC-3825, although subtly: "The goal of this option is to enable a wired Ethernet host to obtain its location," It is/was assumed by the authors of RFC-3825 that operators of multi-story structures *may* have at their disposable geo information that is more accurate than a 2 second fix from a consumer grade gps standing outside of their respective structure (although a 20 second fix is pretty good, and well within *most* location use cases, with today's technology). IF such geo information is available, maybe from the surveyor/engineer associated with the building, this data *should* not include accuracy components. (If you hire a surveyor that supplies you with an accuracy component, disregard the data and hire another one! (Hmm, I think your property line is here and I think your building is there!)) "This resolution sub-field accommodates the desire to easily adjust the precision of a reported location." The intended resolution sub-field purpose: 1) The ability to convey the data more accurately - The data I have does not match the resolution the LO is capable of conveying (don't believe the lower-order bits). 2) To satisfy the privacy requirements within GeoPriv during the RFC-3825 timeframe (the ability to 'hide'). I hope this helps in further understanding use cases for RFC-3825. -Marc- _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv
- RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… James Winterbottom
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Henning Schulzrinne
- RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… James M. Polk
- RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… James Winterbottom
- RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… James M. Polk
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Andrew Newton
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… James M. Polk
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… James M. Polk
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Brian Rosen
- RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Marc Linsner
- RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Marc Linsner
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Tom Taylor
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Brian Rosen
- RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Marc Berryman
- RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Marc Linsner
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Brian Rosen
- RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Marc Berryman
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… James M. Polk
- RE: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… James M. Polk
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf… Tim Dunn
- RE: AW:[Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf-… Brian Rosen
- RE: AW:[Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf-… James M. Polk