Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson-geopriv-confidence-03
Alissa Cooper <acooper@cdt.org> Mon, 26 August 2013 09:53 UTC
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I think these are both obviously in scope of our charter, so if the authors want to rev them, we can do a consensus call for WG adoption and see what we get. It would be helpful to get a sense of who is willing to review these drafts if we do adopt them. Alissa On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:59 PM, James Winterbottom <a.james.winterbottom@gmail.com> wrote: > Do we have enough consensus to proceed with this drafts become WG items, WG, Chairs? > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote: > On 31 July 2013 18:32, Roger Marshall <RMarshall@telecomsys.com> wrote: > > I support these two drafts moving forward. And, rather than having to figure out some ideal way to display confidence as a gating factor right now, once we have real values conveyed, we can likely figure out something useful . > > > > These two drafts promote the ability to report actual numeric values. That's a good place to start. Leaving the value(s) as implied or assumed just doesn't make for good engineering. > > Roger makes a good point. However, having spoken with Brian, I think > that it is important to highlight the implications of expressing > confidence, with an appropriate amount of discouragement. This is > really only for cases where it's difficult to get location with a high > confidence. > > I've done a little editing, though I don't know if this is actually > going to make sense, since it was all done on the train, and I don't > remember the entire journey because I was so tired, but here's what > I'm proposing to add to the draft. > > 2.2. Consuming and Presenting Confidence > > The inclusion of confidence that is anything other than 95% presents > a potentially difficult usability for applications that use location > information. Effectively communicating the probability that a > location is incorrect to a user can be difficult. > > It is inadvisable to simply display locations of any confidence, or > to display confidence in a separate or non-obvious fashion. If > locations with different confidence levels are displayed such that > the distinction is subtle or easy to overlook - such as using fine > graduations of color or transparency for graphical uncertainty > regions, or displaying uncertainty graphically, but providing > confidence as supplementary text - a user could fail to notice a > difference in the quality of the location information that might be > significant. > > Depending on the circumstances, different ways of handling confidence > might be appropriate. [I-D.thomson-geopriv-uncertainty] describes > techniques that could be appropriate for consumers that use automated > processing as well as background on the issue. > > Providing that the full implications of any choice for the > application are understood, some amount of automated processing could > be appropriate. In a simple example, applications could choose to > discard or suppress the display of location information if confidence > does not meet a pre-determined threshold. > > In settings where there is an opportunity for user training, some of > these problems might be mitigated by defining different operational > procedures for handling location information at different confidence > levels. > > Now that I look at it, it's a lot of text, so it can probably be cut > down, but I think that it conveys the right sentiment. > _______________________________________________ > Geopriv mailing list > Geopriv@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv > > _______________________________________________ > Geopriv mailing list > Geopriv@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv
- [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson-geo… Laura Liess
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… James Winterbottom
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… James Winterbottom
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… g.caron@bell.ca
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… James Winterbottom
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Brian Rosen
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Brian Rosen
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Laura Liess
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Roger Marshall
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… James Winterbottom
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Roger Marshall
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Roger Marshall
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… James Winterbottom
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Laura Liess
- Re: [Geopriv] Progressing the draft draft-thomson… Martin Thomson