Re: [hiprg] HIPRG charter discussion

Zhen Cao <zehn.cao@gmail.com> Sun, 03 July 2011 08:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hiprg] HIPRG charter discussion
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Hi Andrei,

Attendance is not a problem.  China Mobile has been actively attending
IETF for more than 6 years, 10 people each time.  And we are also
always alive on the mailing list.

Thank you,
Zhen
-China Mobile

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Andrei Gurtov <gurtov@hiit.fi> wrote:
>
> Can you commit to attend the HIPRG meetings at IETF for one-two years to
>  contribute to h-hip draft development or at least provide active
> feedback on the mailing list (e.g. at least one email/week)?
>
> Same question also applies to China mobile.
>
> Andrei
>
>
> Wendong WANG wrote:
>>
>>
>> Our team has
>> interesting on the hierarchical HIT research work. we have already implemented a demo of ID-Locator mapping services based on HIP.
>> We also hope to do more works on it for the future Internet mobility and security functions.
>> Wendong WANG
>> Beijing Universty of Posts and Telecommunications (BUPT)
>> 2011-06-30
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----邮件原件-----
>>> 发件人: Andrei Gurtov [mailto:gurtov@hiit.fi]
>>> 发送时间: 2011年6月14日 17:44
>>> 收件人: Xu Xiaohu
>>> 抄送: 'Henderson, Thomas R'; hiprg@irtf.org; irtf-chair@irsg.org
>>> 主题: Re: [hiprg] HIPRG charter discussion
>>>
>>>
>>> Hei Xiaohu,
>>>
>>> That's an interesting topic, but there should be interest of several
>>> organizations to discuss and develop it jointly at HIPRG. Can you think
>>> of others who would be willing to commit to this topic for a couple
>>> years? Maybe China mobile, Tsinghua University?
>>>
>>> Andrei
>>>
>>> Xu Xiaohu wrote:
>>> > Hi Tom and all,
>>> >
>>> > I propose to consider taking the hierarchical HIT research as a new charter
>>> > item. IMHO, there are at least two major benefits of using hierarchical HITs
>>> > from the commercial deployment perspectives:
>>> >
>>> > First, the ID/HIT registration management service and the ID-to-Locator
>>> > mapping service corresponding to the hierarchical HITs could be run in a
>>> > hierarchical manner. In other words, such global mobility management
>>> service
>>> > systems could be operated by different countries and different operators
>>> > with clear administrative domain boundaries and reasonable business
>>> models,
>>> > just like the telephone number space in the telephone network and the home
>>> > address space in the mobile IP network. In addition, the existing DNS
>>> > infrastructure doesn't need to be changed largely. That's to say, HITs of
>>> > the HIP hosts could be stored directly as their corresponding AAAA RRs in
>>> > the existing DNS infrastructure.
>>> >
>>> > Second, the usage of hierarchical HITs will ease the transition for HIP. For
>>> > instance, legacy IPv6 hosts could access mobile HIP hosts via provider-owned
>>> > HIP proxy devices (just as home agents in the mobile IP network) since the
>>> > hierarchical HITs could be routable in the Internet. On the contrary,
>>> > ORCHIDs are not routable in the Internet since there is no reasonable
>>> > business motivation for operators to deploy HIP proxy devices for such flat
>>> > identifiers.
>>> >
>>> > There has been some proposals and presentations discussing about
>>> > hierarchical HITs in HIPRG before as follows:
>>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-hip-hierarchical-02
>>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuptsov-hhit-02
>>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-rangi-04
>>> >
>>> > By the way, we have implemented the RANGI
>>> > (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-rangi-04) prototype which uses a
>>> > hierarchical and cryptographic host IDs with delegation-oriented structure.
>>> > Hope we could have a chance to show the implementation details and
>>> > verification results at the forthcoming IETF meeting in Quebec City.
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> > Xiaohu
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> -----邮件原件-----
>>> >> 发件人: hiprg-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:hiprg-bounces@irtf.org] 代表
>>> >> Henderson, Thomas R
>>> >> 发送时间: 2011年6月6日 22:49
>>> >> 收件人: hiprg@irtf.org
>>> >> 抄送: 'irtf-chair@irsg.org'
>>> >> 主题: [hiprg] HIPRG charter discussion
>>> >>
>>> >> With the completion of the experiment report (our main RG charter item
>>> > since
>>> >> the RG's inception), I would like to ask about future directions of the
>>> > RG.
>>> >> Outside of completing our current RG drafts, we need to try to define some
>>> >> new collaborative work items and define what role the RG will play
>>> > relative to
>>> >> the WG.
>>> >>
>>> >> These work items should ideally satisfy the following criteria:
>>> >> - is the research area clear and relevant for the Internet community and
>>> > for
>>> >> HIP in particular?  What are the expected outcomes and impact?
>>> >> - will the RG foster work that would not be done otherwise?  For instance,
>>> >> participation drawn from more than a single institution or country.  Can
>>> > we
>>> >> try to identify individuals for this anticipated participation?
>>> >>
>>> >> We can have some discussion of this at the next meeting but I would like
>>> > to see
>>> >> whether we can start identifying some topics on the list before the
>>> > meeting.
>>> >> - Tom
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Best regards,
Zhen