Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-08.txt
Gabriel Montenegro <Gabriel.Montenegro@microsoft.com> Thu, 09 June 2011 15:45 UTC
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From: Gabriel Montenegro <Gabriel.Montenegro@microsoft.com>
To: Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>, "ifette@google.com" <ifette@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-08.txt
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That review and perhaps others sent to hybi happened in the context of the call made for w3c feedback. Please see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ietf-w3c/2011Mar/0002.html Further discussion in the context of the joint W3C/IETF conference call: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ietf-w3c/2011Apr/0000.html thanks, Gabriel > -----Original Message----- > From: Bjoern Hoehrmann [mailto:derhoermi@gmx.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 07:10 > To: ifette@google.com > Cc: hybi@ietf.org; Gabriel Montenegro > Subject: Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-08.txt > > * Ian Fette wrote: > >Hixie is the editor of the HTML spec. He pointed out problems, they > >were addressed. I've a series of emails from him that I am happy to > >share if he does not mind (there's nothing private in them, but I don't > >make a habit of forwarding private correspondence.) As we have the > >luxury of meeting face-to-face, there were also face-to-face > >discussions to resolve stickier issues, along with a few late night IRC sessions > on #whatwg. > > When Google employees get together in private, decide to make changes, and > then post a document, without particularily telling the rest of us what has > changed, which issues have been addressed, which issues have not been > addressed, in fact, not even telling us what the issues were, then that's not open > and consensus-based vendor-independent standards development. > > >Finally, I'm not sure what you expect to get from W3C that you're not > >getting from the people on this list. You've got the people > >implementing the API watching this list, that's the same subset of the > >people from W3C that would provide meaningful commentary about the spec. > > The hybi charter requires the working group to consider any concerns raised by > the W3C. I expect people from the IESG or the community at large will ask > whether this has been done, and the easy way to answer would be showing > them records of the W3C confirming they have reviewed the document and any > issues they had have been addressed to their sa- tisfaction. > > Arguing, instead, that we seem to have all the right people involved, so such > formalities are unnecessary, while at the same time people on the list are > working together to figure out what changes have been made in the latest draft, > would not be much of an answer to such questions. > -- > Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjoern@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de > Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de > 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Anthony Catel
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketpro… Internet-Drafts
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Gabriel Montenegro
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Andy Green (林安廸)
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Dirkjan Ochtman
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Andy Green (林安廸)
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Norio Kobota
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Dirkjan Ochtman
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Norio Kobota
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Denis Lagno
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Andy Green (林安廸)
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Gabriel Montenegro
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocke… Takeshi Yoshino