Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-08.txt

Gabriel Montenegro <Gabriel.Montenegro@microsoft.com> Thu, 09 June 2011 15:45 UTC

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From: Gabriel Montenegro <Gabriel.Montenegro@microsoft.com>
To: Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>, "ifette@google.com" <ifette@google.com>
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That review and perhaps others sent to hybi happened in the context of the call made for w3c feedback. Please see:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ietf-w3c/2011Mar/0002.html

Further discussion in the context of the joint W3C/IETF conference call:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ietf-w3c/2011Apr/0000.html

thanks,

Gabriel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bjoern Hoehrmann [mailto:derhoermi@gmx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 07:10
> To: ifette@google.com
> Cc: hybi@ietf.org; Gabriel Montenegro
> Subject: Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-08.txt
> 
> * Ian Fette wrote:
> >Hixie is the editor of the HTML spec. He pointed out problems, they
> >were addressed. I've a series of emails from him that I am happy to
> >share if he does not mind (there's nothing private in them, but I don't
> >make a habit of forwarding private correspondence.) As we have the
> >luxury of meeting face-to-face, there were also face-to-face
> >discussions to resolve stickier issues, along with a few late night IRC sessions
> on #whatwg.
> 
> When Google employees get together in private, decide to make changes, and
> then post a document, without particularily telling the rest of us what has
> changed, which issues have been addressed, which issues have not been
> addressed, in fact, not even telling us what the issues were, then that's not open
> and consensus-based vendor-independent standards development.
> 
> >Finally, I'm not sure what you expect to get from W3C that you're not
> >getting from the people on this list. You've got the people
> >implementing the API watching this list, that's the same subset of the
> >people from W3C that would provide meaningful commentary about the spec.
> 
> The hybi charter requires the working group to consider any concerns raised by
> the W3C. I expect people from the IESG or the community at large will ask
> whether this has been done, and the easy way to answer would be showing
> them records of the W3C confirming they have reviewed the document and any
> issues they had have been addressed to their sa- tisfaction.
> 
> Arguing, instead, that we seem to have all the right people involved, so such
> formalities are unnecessary, while at the same time people on the list are
> working together to figure out what changes have been made in the latest draft,
> would not be much of an answer to such questions.
> --
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