Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking
Greg Wilkins <gregw@intalio.com> Thu, 21 July 2011 07:02 UTC
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On 21 July 2011 12:37, John Tamplin <jat@google.com> wrote: > At the time, it wasn't divided. I don't recall any serious objections at > the time it was proposed and included in the spec, including from you. I don't recall any discussion at all about the extension. There was some talk about the effect of compression, to which there was a response that spoke against stream compression http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg01811.html The deflate-stream extension then just appeared in the a draft... I can't actually find any thread that proposed it's addition. I've looked several times and failed to find any discussion. Note that I'm not saying that somebody has done some evil deception to get this into the spec. Just that when objections have been raised, then the default position should be that the feature is excluded unless rough consensus can be achieved. On 21 July 2011 12:47, David Endicott wrote: > You sound frustrated, Greg. Because this is an process anti-pattern that I think is mostly responsible for much of the difficulties in this WG. When an idea is put into the spec, then it has unfair advantage over alternate ideas and the entire discussion is tainted by the natural tendency to status quo. Also I just don't understand why when there are many opponents to this optional feature that we don't just drop it and let the extensions be proposed in their own drafts and prosper or otherwise on their own merits - not because they lucked out and became the favoured son of the core specification. I'm seen the results of the J2EE specification process where favoured-son have been picked (Servlets, no JSPs, no JSFs, no ....) and it is a disaster. regards
- [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Andy Green (林安廸)
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Andy Green (林安廸)
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Dirkjan Ochtman
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Bob Gezelter
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Andy Green (林安廸)
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Andy Green (林安廸)
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Brian
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Philipp Serafin
- [hybi] Fwd: Re: deflate-stream and masking Justin Lee
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking David Endicott
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Alexander Philippou
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking David Endicott
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Alexander Philippou
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Gabriel Montenegro
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking David Endicott
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking David Endicott
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking David Endicott
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking David Endicott
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Peter Saint-Andre