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Re: [I18ndir] [art] Just uploaded draft-bray-unichars-03

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sun, 10 September 2023 17:09 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 10:09:04 -0700
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Subject: Re: [I18ndir] [art] Just uploaded draft-bray-unichars-03
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On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 1:43 AM Asmus Freytag <asmusf@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> The term "transformation format" is not formally defined  in the Unicode
> Standard. It is noted in chapter 3 as being a (somewhat ambiguous) alias
> for two other terms, encoding format and encoding scheme. ("schemes" have a
> fixed byte order for code units and "forms" are generic mappings to an
> integral type irrespective of byte order).
>

I have to admit I blinked at this part, since that is what "UTF" stands
for. I went and looked, and found this [0]:

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ISO/IEC 10646:2010 (E) Final Committee Draft (FCD)
Annex D
(normative)
UCS Transformation Format 8 (UTF-8)
NOTE – Incorporated in main body text, see UCS UTF-8 encoding form in 9 and
UCS UTF-8 encoding schemes in 10.

---

This is the one we care about, so I think the draft is ok here, but I don't
mind the suggested edit.

thanks,
Rob


[0] http://unicode.org/L2/L2010/10038-fcd10646-main.pdf

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