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Re: [I18ndir] [art] Just uploaded draft-bray-unichars-03

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Sun, 10 September 2023 19:30 UTC

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Sent from mobile, sorry for terse

> On 10. Sep 2023, at 19:52, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:
> 
> However, you’ve established that the reading of 8949 is at least ambiguous on this point.

That completely misleading impression is a symptom of the fact that this document is unsalvageable. 

STD 63 (RFC 3629) is utterly clear on what utf-8 is. 
Therefore rfc8949 did not have to do anything except reference STD  63 to be completely clear about what cbor text strings are as well. 

If you wonder about my strong reaction (and if you don’t), please do read rfc9413.

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