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Re: [Idr] [GROW] draft-snijders-idr-shutdown-00: Drop a line in the peer's syslog at shutdown

"Neil J. McRae" <neil@domino.org> Sat, 19 November 2016 14:59 UTC

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From: "Neil J. McRae" <neil@domino.org>
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] [GROW] draft-snijders-idr-shutdown-00: Drop a line in the peer's syslog at shutdown
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We shouldn't be encouraging folks to build networks that for routine events we then require more manual intervention when it's unwarranted. 

Why does it need to be free format?

How many reasons or signals does one need to send in a message like this? Just thinking whilst I wait for the till to be rebooted in WHSmiths -  I can think of 3 different cease reasons (and 1 of them is a form of the other). De-peer; maintenance;  problem call/contact us - what else ? Enough to trigger info is in the existing config to trigger you to the right information on peeringdb or other local database.

Cheers,
Neil 

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> On 19 Nov 2016, at 14:48, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
> 
> Robert Raszuk wrote:
>> Just to be clear: I am also OK with free form text with the few well
>> known and easy to machine parse keywords (in it).
> 
> the field should either be fully structured or free-form, and the
> explicit intent of this draft is free form, utf8.  Having a half-way
> house is in nobody's interest because the discussion will then rat-hole
> on defining a new ad-hoc quasi-language, and the draft - if it ever gets
> turned into running code - will end up being a protocol soup which
> no-one will find satisying.
> 
> If you feel it should be fully structured, then please feel free to
> submit an alternative draft to that effect.
> 
> Nick

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