Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25)

"John G. Scudder" <jgs@juniper.net> Tue, 18 October 2016 16:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25)
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On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
> unless this is a temporary deprecation,

All deprecation is temporary. It means "you shouldn't use this, and by the way we might reuse it for something in the future" where "in the future" probably/usually means "when we run out of unused space" (modulo my earlier remark to Jeff). Deprecation is therefore the first step in reusing a code point.

I looked for a supporting citation and didn't find one, though. :-(

--John