Re: [Idr] 回复: 回复: WG adoption call for draft-xu-idr-neighbor-autodiscovery

Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Tue, 17 July 2018 15:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] 回复: 回复: WG adoption call for draft-xu-idr-neighbor-autodiscovery
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>
> By the way, in addition to automate and simplify the use of BGP as IGP in
> MSDC, the BGP peer auto-discovery mechanism as described in this draft has
> the potential to be applicable to BGP-SR-TE and LSVR as well.
>
> Sorry for touching the LSVR cheese unintentionally:)
>


​And that is precisely the fundamental issue not a feature to be proud
about here. You do not turn BGP into link state protocol because you like
to apply LSVR or BGP-SR-TE in the DCs.

Its completely upside down.

That's why my draft ​
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-session-setup-00 is a
simple and short honesty check. Is this discussion about helping to bring
the BGP sessions up in some env. or it is rather a black box which bringing
BGP discovery is just a label on it and content will explode in no time
when its shipped ?

Thx,
R.