Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-xu-idr-neighbor-autodiscovery

Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Thu, 12 July 2018 22:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-xu-idr-neighbor-autodiscovery
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Hey Tony,

Honestly and in the public I do want to state that if given a choice of
keep "enhancing" real BGP focusing on DCs vs running RIFT the latter wins
without any doubt.

As long as RIFT is solid and available to run on most of the OEM vendors
and is supported in any common white box operating systems other then code
maturity I would not see any issues to run it for most DCs that really need
such optimal dynamic routing.

Thx,
R.



On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:00 AM, Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>> and for those really brave:
>>
>> * run RIFT
>>
>>
> You probably meant to say "for those who actually want to be able to run
> something that exists". For people interested in code I can encourage
> hackathon102 participation. We're aiming to got a first interop hello 3-way
> up and probably ZTP :-P
>
> Gee, that used to be all "rough consensus and running code". One got
> definitiely more contentious and the other gets harder and harder to find
> these days ...
>
> Otherwise, on the issue, unsurprisingly, I fully concur with Eric,
> especially it maybe quite enlightening to go through a small exercise of
> trying to extend the BGP neighbor FSM with the suggested change  ...
>
> thanks
>
> --- tony
>