Re: [Idr] WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-large-community-03.txt (10/17/2016 to 10/31/2016)

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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-large-community-03.txt (10/17/2016 to 10/31/2016)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Hilliard" <nick@foobar.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:10 PM

> Brian Dickson wrote:
> > I agree with the consensus sentiment, and only have suggestions for
> > making that sentiment clearer.
> >
> > I think some recent discussion here has helped identify the corner
> > cases/nuances, which I think can inform that wording.
> >
> > Here's a first cut at a suggested changes, and rationale:
> >
> > [Replace all instances of "Global Administrator" with "Global
> > Administrator ASN" and/or GA_ASN.]
> >
> > "Global Administrator ASN: a four-octet namespace identifier.  The
> > namespace is under exclusive control of the Global Administrator of
> > the ASN. There is no requirement that this namespace be used only
> > within this ASN."
>
> The sentiment in your suggestion is to harden the association between
> the term "Global Administrator" and "ASN".  This isn't making things
> clearer: it's proposing to change the meaning of what's currently in
the
> draft, in a direction which has already been discussed.

Which in turn is seems to be taking us away from the aim of this work,
as stated recently by John, namely,

"When the working group accepted the draft as a work item, I think it
was pretty clear from the extensive conversation at that time, that the
intent was to replicate RFC 1997, not to improve it. "

The freedom to put anything you feel like putting in the first field is
not replicating RFC 1997, it is a significant (IMHO) change and the
sense I get is that many here want that as an 'improvement'.  For me, it
is a hazard to the Internet, not an improvement (which is why I oppose
it).  I am with Brian on this.

Tom Petch
>
> Nick
>