Re: [Ietf-languages] Forms for Min Nan variants

Winston Sung <winston21.sung@gmail.com> Sun, 11 February 2024 07:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Forms for Min Nan variants
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Hello,

below are the updated application details.

Due to the differences between different Vernacular Romanization Systems
(or "Church Romanization") in different languages, the proposed variant
subtags below would still not for the use of non-Hokkien languages.

Vernacular Romanization Systems of Hakka [hak], Hainanese [proposed hnm],
Fuzhou (Mindong [cdo]), Teochew (Pe̍h-ūe-jī), Minbei [mnp], Pu–Xian Min
[cpx] should propose different subtag (for example, phakfasu, baehoetu) if
needed.

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LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
File-Date: 2024-xx-xx
%%
Type: variant
Subtag: vernhbl
Description: Hokkien Vernacular Romanization System,
  also known as Pe̍h-ōe-jī orthography/romanization
Added: 2024-xx-xx
Prefix: nan-Latn
Comments: Modern Hokkien Vernacular Romanization System,
  evolved from the New Dictionary in the Amoy by
  John Van Nest Talmage in 1894
%%

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LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM

1. Name of requester: SUNG Chien-chang (Winston Sung / SUNG C. C. /
     Winston Chien-chang SUNG)
2. E-mail address of requester: winston21.sung @ gmail.com
3. Record Requested:

   Type: variant
   Subtag: vernhok
   Description: Vernacular Romanization System of Hokkien,
  also known as Pe̍h-ōe-jī orthography/romanization
   Prefix: nan-Latn
Comments: Modern Vernacular Romanization System of Hokkien
  evolved from the New Dictionary in the Amoy by
  John Van Nest Talmage in 1894

4. Intended meaning of the subtag:

   The variety of Hokkien language written forms.

5. Reference to published description of the language (book or
   article):

   -- Medhurst, Walter Henry (1832) - Dictionary of the Hok-këèn
      Dialect of the Chinese Language, According to the Reading and
      Colloquial Idioms - Macau: East India Press -
      hdl:2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t7pn9319x - OCLC 5314739.

   -- Doty, Elihu (1853) - Anglo Chinese Manual of the Amoy Dialect -
      Guangzhou: Samuel Wells Williams - OCLC 20605114.

   -- MacGowan, John (1869) - A Manual of the Amoy Colloquial - Hong
      Kong: de Souza & Co. - OCLC 23927767.

   -- Douglas, Carstairs (1873) - Chinese–English Dictionary of the
      Vernacular or Spoken Language of Amoy (1st edition) - London:
      Trübner - hdl:2027/mdp.39015083430507 - OCLC 4820970 - OL
      24969218M.

   -- Van Nest Talmage, John (1894) - New Dictionary in the Amoy
      Dialect - OCLC 41548900.

   -- Warnshuis, A. Livingston; de Pree, H.P. (1911) - Lessons in the
      Amoy Vernacular - Xiamen: Chui-keng-tông Press - OCLC 29903392.

   -- Campbell, William (1913) - A Dictionary of the Amoy Vernacular
      spoken throughout the prefectures of Chin-chiu, Chiang-chiu and
      Formosa - Tainan: Taiwan Church Press - OCLC 867068660.

   -- Barclay, Thomas (1923) - Supplement to Dictionary of the
      vernacular or spoken language of Amoy - Shanghai: The
      Commercial press, limited - hdl:2027/mdp.39015051950106.

   -- Tipson, Ernest (1934) - A Pocket Dictionary of the Amoy
      Vernacular: English-Chinese - Singapore: Lithographers - OCLC
      504142973.

---

LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
File-Date: 2024-xx-xx
%%
Type: variant
Subtag: tailo
Description: Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System for Hokkien languages,
  also known as Tâi-lô orthography/romanization
Added: 2024-xx-xx
Prefix: nan-Latn
Comments: THRS orthography/romanization published in 2006 by the
  Taiwan Ministry of Education
%%

---

LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM

1. Name of requester: SUNG Chien-chang (Winston Sung / SUNG C. C. /
     Winston Chien-chang SUNG)
2. E-mail address of requester: winston21.sung @ gmail.com
3. Record Requested:

   Type: variant
   Subtag: tailo
   Description: Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System for Hokkien languages,
  also known as Tâi-lô orthography/romanization
   Prefix: nan-Latn
   Comments: Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System published in 2006 by the
     Taiwan Ministry of Education

4. Intended meaning of the subtag:

   The variety of Hokkien language written forms.

5. Reference to published description of the language (book or
   article):

   -- Ministry of Education (2006) - "Táiwān Mǐnnányǔ Luómǎzì Pīnyīn
      Fāng'àn" 臺灣閩南語羅馬字拼音方案 [Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization
      Solution] - Taiwan: Ministry of Education.

   -- Ministry of Education (2007) - "Táiwān Mǐnnányǔ Luómǎzì Pīnyīn
      Fāng'àn Shǐyòng Shǒucè" 臺灣閩南語羅馬字拼音方案使用手冊 [Practical
      Manual for the Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System] (1st
      edition) - Taiwan: Ministry of Education - ISBN
      978-986-00-7755-1.

   -- Ministry of Education (2008) - "Táiwān Mǐnnányǔ Luómǎzì Pīnyīn
      Fāng'àn Shǐyòng Shǒucè" 臺灣閩南語羅馬字拼音方案使用手冊 [Practical
      Manual for the Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System] (2nd
      edition) [first edition 2007] - Taiwan: Ministry of Education -
      ISBN 978-986-01-6637-8.