Re: [Ietf-languages] Forms for Hokkien variants

[Doug Ewell <[e-mail]>]

Thank you for making these updates. The mechanical updates (line length, etc.) were done perfectly, which I know is not always easy. I neglected to mention that the length and spacing restrictions apply only to the record, not the registration form, as long as item 3 of the registration form (Record Requested) matches the proposed record (except for no Added field).

One small note: Description fields may be used as labels in pickers or other UI, and as such, short is good. I would personally prefer that the “also known as” clause be split out into a second Description field, e.g.:

Description: Hokkien Vernacular Romanization System
Description: Pe̍h-ōe-jī orthography/romanization

However, I’ve probably expressed enough personal preferences on this thread already, so I don’t insist on this change.

These forms contain no major substantive changes that would extend the review period an additional two weeks, but the minor changes (Description and Comments) do extend it for one week. The review period for these subtags now ends Monday, February 19 AoE. Please review.


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Doug Ewell, CC, ALB | Lakewood, CO, US | ewellic.org<http://ewellic.org/>

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Subject: [Ietf-languages] Forms for Hokkien variants

Here are proposed records and registration forms for the requested Hokkien variants.

The registration forms have been updated to include revised Description fields, to include clarifying information in the Comments fields, and to conform to line length requirements (72 UTF-8 bytes) and indentation spacing (e.g., 2 leading spaces for continuation lines) and normal English spacing conventions.

Due to the different schemes between different romanization systems in different Sinitic languages, the proposed variant subtag "pehoeji" would not for the use of non-Hokkien languages including:

  -- Vernacular Romanization System "白話字"/Pha̍k-fa-sṳ of Hakka [hak]

  -- Vernacular Romanization System "白話字"/Bǽh-oe-tu of Hainanese

  -- Vernacular Romanization System "白話字"/Pe̍h-ūe-jī of Teochew

  -- Foochow Romanization System "平話字"/Bàng-uâ-cê for Fuzhou Mindong [cdo]

  -- Foochow Romanization System "平話字"/Báⁿ-uā-ci̍ for Pu–Xian Min [cpx]

  -- Latin script "羅馬字"/Lô̤-mǎ-cī for Minbei [mnp]

  These romanization systems would need to propose different subtag (for example, phakfasu, baehoetu, pehueji) if needed.

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LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
File-Date: 2024-xx-xx
%%
Type: variant
Subtag: pehoeji
Description: Hokkien Vernacular Romanization System, also known as
  Pe̍h-ōe-jī orthography/romanization
Added: 2024-xx-xx
Prefix: nan-Latn
Comments: Modern Hokkien Vernacular Romanization System, evolved from
  the New Dictionary in the Amoy by John Van Nest Talmage in 1894
%%

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LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM

1. Name of requester: SUNG Chien-chang (Winston Sung / SUNG C. C. /
     Winston Chien-chang SUNG)
2. E-mail address of requester: winston21.sung @ gmail.com<http://gmail.com>
3. Record Requested:

   Type: variant
   Subtag: pehoeji
   Description: Hokkien Vernacular Romanization System, also known as
     Pe̍h-ōe-jī orthography/romanization
   Prefix: nan-Latn
   Comments: Modern Hokkien Vernacular Romanization System, evolved from
     the New Dictionary in the Amoy by John Van Nest Talmage in 1894

4. Intended meaning of the subtag:

   The variety of Hokkien language written forms.

5. Reference to published description of the language (book or
   article):

   -- Medhurst, Walter Henry (1832) - Dictionary of the Hok-këèn
      Dialect of the Chinese Language, According to the Reading and
      Colloquial Idioms - Macau: East India Press -
      hdl:2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t7pn9319x - OCLC 5314739.

   -- Doty, Elihu (1853) - Anglo Chinese Manual of the Amoy Dialect -
      Guangzhou: Samuel Wells Williams - OCLC 20605114.

   -- MacGowan, John (1869) - A Manual of the Amoy Colloquial - Hong
      Kong: de Souza & Co. - OCLC 23927767.

   -- Douglas, Carstairs (1873) - Chinese–English Dictionary of the
      Vernacular or Spoken Language of Amoy (1st edition) - London:
      Trübner - hdl:2027/mdp.39015083430507 - OCLC 4820970 - OL
      24969218M.

   -- Van Nest Talmage, John (1894) - New Dictionary in the Amoy
      Dialect - OCLC 41548900.

   -- Warnshuis, A. Livingston; de Pree, H.P. (1911) - Lessons in the
      Amoy Vernacular - Xiamen: Chui-keng-tông Press - OCLC 29903392.

   -- Campbell, William (1913) - A Dictionary of the Amoy Vernacular
      spoken throughout the prefectures of Chin-chiu, Chiang-chiu and
      Formosa - Tainan: Taiwan Church Press - OCLC 867068660.

   -- Barclay, Thomas (1923) - Supplement to Dictionary of the
      vernacular or spoken language of Amoy - Shanghai: The
      Commercial press, limited - hdl:2027/mdp.39015051950106.

   -- Tipson, Ernest (1934) - A Pocket Dictionary of the Amoy
      Vernacular: English-Chinese - Singapore: Lithographers - OCLC
      504142973.

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LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
File-Date: 2024-xx-xx
%%
Type: variant
Subtag: tailo
Description: Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System for Hokkien
  languages, also known as Tâi-lô orthography/romanization
Added: 2024-xx-xx
Prefix: nan-Latn
Comments: Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System (Tâi-lô) published in
  2006 by the Taiwan Ministry of Education
%%

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LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM

1. Name of requester: SUNG Chien-chang (Winston Sung / SUNG C. C. /
     Winston Chien-chang SUNG)
2. E-mail address of requester: winston21.sung @ gmail.com<http://gmail.com>
3. Record Requested:

   Type: variant
   Subtag: tailo
   Description: Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System for Hokkien
     languages, also known as Tâi-lô orthography/romanization
   Prefix: nan-Latn
   Comments: Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System (Tâi-lô) published in
     2006 by the Taiwan Ministry of Education

4. Intended meaning of the subtag:

   The variety of Hokkien language written forms.

5. Reference to published description of the language (book or
   article):

   -- Ministry of Education (2006) - "Táiwān Mǐnnányǔ Luómǎzì Pīnyīn
      Fāng'àn" 臺灣閩南語羅馬字拼音方案 [Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization
      Solution] - Taiwan: Ministry of Education.

   -- Ministry of Education (2007) - "Táiwān Mǐnnányǔ Luómǎzì Pīnyīn
      Fāng'àn Shǐyòng Shǒucè" 臺灣閩南語羅馬字拼音方案使用手冊 [Practical
      Manual for the Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System] (1st
      edition) - Taiwan: Ministry of Education - ISBN
      978-986-00-7755-1.

   -- Ministry of Education (2008) - "Táiwān Mǐnnányǔ Luómǎzì Pīnyīn
      Fāng'àn Shǐyòng Shǒucè" 臺灣閩南語羅馬字拼音方案使用手冊 [Practical
      Manual for the Taiwanese Hokkien Romanization System] (2nd
      edition) [first edition 2007] - Taiwan: Ministry of Education -
      ISBN 978-986-01-6637-8.