Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-reflections-00.txt]
Paul Wouters <paul@cypherpunks.ca> Sun, 22 September 2013 16:59 UTC
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From: Paul Wouters <paul@cypherpunks.ca>
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2013, Dave Crocker wrote: >> 2) Encourage distributed services over centralized services. For >> example, social networking services today are heavily centralized. > > +1 > > Except that essentially all services other than email have gained popularity > in centralized form, including IM. Note that decentralising makes you less anonymous. If everyone runs their own jabber service with TLS and OTR, you are less anonymous than today. So "decentralising" is not a solution on its own for meta-data tracking. > So there appear to be some important and > difficult operational and usability barriers, standing in the way of more > truly distributed applications. Because people still think of data centers are the CPUs running the internet, when they should be thinking of loading up everyone's phones with these services. These devices are more powerful that our 4U servers of 10 years ago. Paul
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- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Josh Howlett
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Scott Brim
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… SM
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Masataka Ohta
- RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Christian Huitema
- RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… John C Klensin
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Paul Wouters
- RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Christian Huitema
- RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Scott Brim
- RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… John C Klensin
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… joel jaeggli
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… John C Klensin
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Josh Howlett
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Ben Laurie