Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-reflections-00.txt]
Paul Wouters <paul@cypherpunks.ca> Sun, 22 September 2013 01:47 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2013, Stephen Farrell wrote: > On 09/21/2013 02:42 PM, Roger Jørgensen wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Brian E Carpenter >> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I got my arm slightly twisted to produce the attached: a simple >>> concatenation of some of the actionable suggestions made in the >>> discussion of PRISM and Bruce Schneier's call for action. >> >> There are one thing I don't see mention in your draft, the discussion >> that moved from ietf@ and over into lisp@ about encryption by default >> wherever it's possible. It's one concrete action this >> NSA/Snowden/Bruce thing has started. > > FWIW, I'm also maintaining a list of concrete proposals and > relevant I-Ds that I've seen. [1] I've not noticed an I-D on > the LISP idea though but let me know if there's one I missed. It's a draft from 1998: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipsec-internet-key-00 I'm considering implementing something like that for the next version of libreswan. But if we resurrect this draft, it needs work to get modernized or be started as a complete rewrite from scratch. For exaple, we'd have to ensure that these connections remain sandboxed to the machine, and that any IP assignments are not leaking outside the machine (in the light of NAT based inner IPs, etc) Paul
- [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-refle… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Josh Howlett
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Scott Brim
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… SM
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Masataka Ohta
- RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Christian Huitema
- RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… John C Klensin
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Paul Wouters
- RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Christian Huitema
- RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Scott Brim
- RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… John C Klensin
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… joel jaeggli
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… John C Klensin
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Josh Howlett
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-r… Ben Laurie