Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-reflections-00.txt]

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Sun, 22 September 2013 08:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-prismatic-reflections-00.txt]
From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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On 22/09/2013, at 1:08 PM, Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:

> Mark Nottingham wrote:
> 
>>> Then, protocols not have any authoritative specification and
>>> should never be standardized and there should be no central
>>> authority to manage different versions of the protocols.
>> 
>> From a PRISM viewpoint, the cost of parsing different formats,
>> understanding different wire protocols, etc. is trivial.
> 
> That is a reasoning to deny the point of you:
> 
> : I draw the opposite conclusion, actually. With good standards,
> ; we can encourage a larger number of services to exist,
> : raising the cost of monitoring them all.
> 
> So, denying the point, you agree with me.

I'm really not sure what you're getting at here, but I suspect we're not going to convince each other. That's OK with me.

Regards,

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