Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt> (On Consensus and Humming in the IETF) to Informational RFC
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 07 October 2013 19:34 UTC
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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 08:34:39 +1300
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt> (On Consensus and Humming in the IETF) to Informational RFC
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On 08/10/2013 08:03, Ted Hardie wrote: ... > were. On the second point, the truth is that informational RFCs are [not] > treated as actual requests for comments much any more, but are taken as > fixed; I've inserted the "not" that Ted certainly intended. But I think he raises an important point. If the phrase "Request For Comments" no longer means what it says, we need another RFC, with a provisional title of "Request For Comments Means What It Says". We still see comments on RFC 791 reasonably often, and I see comments on RFC 2460 practically every day. That's as it should be. So I'd like to dispute Ted's point that by publishing a version of resnick-on-consensus as an RFC, we will engrave its contents in stone. If that's the case, we have an even deeper problem than misunderstandings of rough consensus. otoh Ted's specific points on the draft are all valuable. Brian
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Ted Hardie
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Ted Lemon
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… John Leslie
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… John Leslie
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Ted Hardie
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Ted Hardie
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Ted Lemon
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Ted Hardie
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… S Moonesamy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Melinda Shore
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Loa Andersson
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Melinda Shore
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Loa Andersson
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Ted Lemon
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Loa Andersson
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Melinda Shore
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Jari Arkko
- RE: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… S Moonesamy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt… Jari Arkko