Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt> (On Consensus and Humming in the IETF) to Informational RFC

John Leslie <john@jlc.net> Mon, 07 October 2013 23:23 UTC

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Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 19:23:14 -0400
From: John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
To: Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com>
Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-resnick-on-consensus-05.txt> (On Consensus and Humming in the IETF) to Informational RFC
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Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> So I'd like to dispute Ted's point that by publishing a version of
>> resnick-on-consensus as an RFC, we will engrave its contents in stone.
>> If that's the case, we have an even deeper problem than misunderstandings
>> of rough consensus.
> 
> Right, I think what Ted is describing is a BCP, not an Informational RFC.

   Oh my! I just saw the IESG agenda, and this _is_ proposed for BCP.

   I retract anything I said which might criticize Ted and/or Dave Crocker
for being too picky!

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John Leslie <john@jlc.net>