Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Fri, 28 February 2020 04:54 UTC

Subject: Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
To: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>, ietf@ietf.org
Cc: Suresh Krishnan <suresh@kaloom.com>
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From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:54:35 -0300
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On 27/2/20 21:05, S Moonesamy wrote:
> Hi Fernando,
> 
> [Cc trimmed to ietf@ and Area Director]
> 
> At 01:42 PM 27-02-2020, Fernando Gont wrote:
>> I've raised the topic to our AD (Suresh), to the IAB, and on the 
>> arch-d list before, but so far haven't been lucky or seen anything 
>> meaningful happen in this area.
>>
>> I have also submitted an errata to make RFC8200 even more clear on the 
>> topic, but it remains unprocessed.
>>
>> So my questions are:
>>
>> * On the technical area:
>>
>>  + Is IPv6 an End To End protocol?  Or is the IETF's stance that 
>> routers are free to mangle with the packet structure as they please?
> 
> The IETF's stance is usually documented in RFCs.  Routers are free to 
> mangle with packet structure. 

They clearly are not. I have no idea whatsoever where you got this from.

Yes, there's no protocol police. But such behavior does not conform to 
the IPv6 standard, nor with the existing architecture.

Thanks,
-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
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Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Er… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Keith Moore
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Keith Moore
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Keith Moore
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Mark Andrews
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… S Moonesamy
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Christian Huitema
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Bernard Aboba
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Fernando Gont
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… S Moonesamy
RE: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… Larry Masinter
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Dino Farinacci
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… Fernando Gont
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Fernando Gont
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… Fernando Gont
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… S Moonesamy
[arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture?… Guntur Wiseno Putra
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
[arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture?… Guntur Wiseno Putra
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Keith Moore
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… John C Klensin
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Andrew Alston
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Andrew Alston
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
[arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture?… Guntur Wiseno Putra