Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)

[Phillip Hallam-Baker <[e-mail]>]

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 1:48 PM Keith Moore <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> On 2/28/20 1:12 PM, Tom Herbert wrote:
>
> > Yes, but in BSD sockets, the most common networking API, "bind" takes
> > an address and port number argument, "connect" takes and address and
> > port number argument, getsockname and getpeername return the
> > respective pairs set on a socket. So the TCP 4-tuple is very visible
> > to applications and has been for many years. If there's a better way
> > to do this that hides this and makes it easier I say go for it, but
> > please don't call this a solved problem until you've achieved
> > ubiquitous deployment and we can obsolete the sockets API since no one
> > is using it anymore.
>
> And in particular any API that presumes that DNS will be reliable and
> have the correct address for a peer, or even that it exists at all, is
> going to suffer from a huge disconnect from reality.
>
> The beautiful thing about only needing an address and a port (and often,
> having a default port) is that it doesn't need any higher-layer
> infrastructure to make it work.   This is a feature, not a bug.


OK we are officially done.

DNS is correct by definition. The resolution of example.com is not a matter
for discussion, it is what the DNS resolution service you decide to trust
returns.

I have given the application layer view of the transport layer and below. I
really don't care if you think we are doing it wrong, that is how we is
going to continue to do it.


There are of course concerns that arise from attempting to use manually
configured DNS as the basis for discovery. Manual configuration is
unreliable which is why I intend to automate the process at some point.

There should be a single point of management for service hosts in a domain.
Hosts should register/deregister the services they provide as they come up
and down. This should also coordinate with the provision of certificates.
And the DNS config should be calculated from that. So all the
DANE/SPF/TXT/SRV records should be generated automatically.

But if you config manually and people can't reach your service, that is
because your DNS is configured to say your service is down. That is not a
protocol failure.