Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)

Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> Fri, 28 February 2020 04:08 UTC

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From: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 20:07:58 -0800
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
To: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
Cc: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, Internet Area <int-area@ietf.org>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, architecture-discuss@iab.org, Internet Architecture Board <iab@iab.org>
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 7:39 PM Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 27, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote:
> >
> > To me, security, robustness, and interoperability are more important
> > than performance for end users. We
>
> You chose a 3-tuple to a 1-tuple tradeoff . There is no tradeoff. One must deliver a 4-tuple.
>
Sure, but EH insertion has not been shown to be secure, robust, or
interoperable. So this is currently is trading off three critical
requirements for just one (assuming that EH insertion is necessary for
performance which isn't even clear).

Tom


> My 2 cents,
> Dino

Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Er… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Keith Moore
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Keith Moore
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Keith Moore
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Mark Andrews
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… S Moonesamy
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Christian Huitema
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Bernard Aboba
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Fernando Gont
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… S Moonesamy
RE: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… Larry Masinter
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Dino Farinacci
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… Fernando Gont
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Fernando Gont
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… Fernando Gont
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd… S Moonesamy
[arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture?… Guntur Wiseno Putra
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
[arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture?… Guntur Wiseno Putra
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Keith Moore
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… John C Klensin
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Keith Moore
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architect… Andrew Alston
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Andrew Alston
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
[arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture?… Guntur Wiseno Putra